Laundry Day - Shrink Fan Comics

[ArcaneBEFan]

I didn't care for the rape-y bits either... it's really not easy to write reluctant shrinking.

But I was very happy with the art we got

[Tiedefender]

Originally Posted by Doll-Elf

Major issues with this.

Spoilers.

The art is fine, but the story gives me the creeps.

This is rape.

This is also my major problem with it.

Otherwise I think it is pretty good. The artwork is better this time around in my opinion.

[zdarkness]

Yeah it was a bit too rapey for me. In all fairness it's no more so than your typical doujin hentai scenario, but very much not my thing.

[Prof_Sai]

From a writing perspective, it's quite a minefield, isn't it? I'm going to hypothesize that it isn't so much that it is non-con, as that the audience seems to be invited to identify with the rapist and enjoy what she is doing. It's an issue with lots of fetish stories - getting to the point quickly involves making many antagonists so nonsensically evil that it shatters belief in the story. Since I basically never identify with the shrinkers, perhaps it is easier for me to ignore the problems, but that doesn't mean they aren't there.


How would we fix this story? Perhaps suggest that the soap is effecting Nancie's judgement somehow? It probably doesn't matter, as any third issue would be months or years away.

Oh well. Don't be discouraged Vince. I still like you.

[Tiedefender]

Originally Posted by ArcaneBEFan

it's really not easy to write reluctant shrinking.

No it is not. Been having trouble with that transition in my own story. Can't just go from being upset from being shrunk to let's have sex. It just comes off as jarring when that happens.

Originally Posted by Prof_Sai

From a writing perspective, it's quite a minefield, isn't it? It's an issue with lots of fetish stories - getting to the point quickly involves making many antagonists so nonsensically evil that it shatters belief in the story.

I'll respond to this part.

It can be a minefield as not everyone likes the same thing. It's difficult to write what you want but still try and make the audience happy by writing what they want. Story speed is a major issue. Most people want that instant gratification leading to what you have said.

[JoeBlue]

Originally Posted by Doll-Elf

Major issues with this.

Spoilers.

The art is fine, but the story gives me the creeps.

One of the issues mentioned in http://www.process-productions.com/f...ad.php?t=50429 was a large lack of Lesbian focused stories with qzar9999 promising that "there is another part of laundry day on the way, so there's that" And this is not lesbian focused.

This is rape.

This is a bisexual individual forcing their way onto someone not attracted to the situation and continues to tell the larger person this over and over, we even get thought dialog where they clearly state they don't want to enjoy this. (meaning that their body is getting aroused from the action, not from emotionally enjoying the situation.)

This is hurtful to people who don't want their sexuality used as a crutch for a rape power fantasy.

I mentioned in the earlier thread that I would like a: (A "slice of life" casual shrink story of a cute lesbian couple would be to die for.

I'm so very tired of SW stories where the one shrinking is "fearing for their life" over some thing that would make them think they are in danger.

It's always "Oh no, I'm shrinking forever." Or "I'm at the mercy of a cruel master!" Or the ever popular "I'm going to be eaten, stepped on, crushed and have to run for my life!")

This is part of the problem. I understand that these stories aren't centered for me, as they are a large thing for everyone to have a bit to enjoy, but ultimately this felt wrong to read the whole way through and one of the tags needs to be: "Warning, Rape".

This isn't even "Lesbian" as the characters involved are a bisexual, a straight woman forced against her will, and an undetermined man seen near the end.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.p...FemaleOnFemale

honestly, I can't agree with this more.
And while I get there's a problem with dealing with someone who isn't taking being shrunken well, there's a line that the story of this comic crossed twice.

that warning label needs to be added ASAP

[zdarkness]

You can't wholly remove the rape-ishness of the scenario without completely remaking the comic but I think a big help would be to tone down the back and forth of begging and pleading vs villainous rapist dialogue.

[TB Tabby]

Things have changed since I first got into SW. There was a time when sexual assault and torture porn was the norm for SW material, and anyone who objected was shouted down with "it's just a story, lighten up."

[Prof_Sai]

:: Puts a saddle on Tabby ::

Giddy Up Horsey! Giddy Up!

[Doll-Elf]

Originally Posted by TB Tabby

Things have changed since I first got into SW. There was a time when sexual assault and torture porn was the norm for SW material, and anyone who objected was shouted down with "it's just a story, lighten up."

I think the issue then was the audience of SW at them time, focused by repressed men who wanted power and control over someone weakened.

You can actually see this very well in some of the biggest names and works done, such as Minimizer. (I am not saying he was repressed, I am saying that a lot of art done by or for Minimizer had women being controlled, trapped, or most popularly, taped and stripped.)

Naturally the most vocal supporters of the S/A and torture porn tried to dominate the subculture but were eventually made less of a voice when newer writers and enthusiasts joined.

However, their damage to the community is still heavy as themes of willing participants or those who enjoy it are not nearly as common and shrinking is seen as a frightening experience where people are fighting for survival.

Some of the focus has also shifted from writings about being the one causing the woman to shrink to new writings about the woman's pov on shrinking.

[Valeyard Vince]

Originally Posted by Prof_Sai

Oh well. Don't be discouraged Vince. I still like you.

As someone who didn't write or edit this story, I am definitely glad that its existence did not somehow lower anyone's opinion of me, lol.

[Captain Ash]

The art is beyond gorgeous.
I like the way how the artist is playing with the various types of perspectives.
By switching the perspectives, it avoids that it becomes static, making anything what happens more dynamic.
The reader always has the right impression who is the big one, and who the small one.
The pose and face expressions of the characters are excellent and convey the feeling of how small and uncomfortable Dawn feels.

As about the complains to the rape scenes in this story.
Right, Nancie forces Dawn to sex.
But this situation never feels off or forces as Nadine shrunk Dawn on purpose with the intend to take advantage of her. It is obvious from the very beginning that Nadine is not a nice roommate.
But I guess shrinking someone who pays half the rent is never a good idea. :P
However, it is not like that Dawn subdue's to Nadine's importunity, but repelled her attemps, despite the size differece, which I find personally refreshing.
Just because is Dawn is small, doesn't has to make her a victim, which again gives her a unique character worthwhile to be remembered.

Summary
The story is fun to read with some very outstanding artwork to indulge.
Compared to the first comic you see the huge improvement.
The story seems to continue to another issue and hope to see it in a similar quality.