Alice In Wonderland - Page 31

Twilight_Roxas · 03-05-2010

Did you find the reference Wolfman-Al?

wolfman-al · 03-05-2010

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Originally Posted by Twilight_Roxas

Did you find the reference Wolfman-Al?

Huh?
I have no idea what you are talking about.

Wussy · 03-06-2010

Synopsis: This is a sequel of sorts to the original Disney animated film. It's been 13 years since Alice's first trip down the rabbit hole, and she's a woman now and has long since dismissed those events as bad dreams. She's being proposed to by a snobbish lord, but she runs away from him when she sees a familiar-looking white rabbit run past her...

Thoughts: I was so BORED watching this thing. It just seemed to be going through the motions without any heart of its own.

Tim Burton seemed to want to change things just for the sake of changing them. For example, everyone has a name now. Alice Kingsley, Tarrant the Mad Hatter, Iracebeth the Red Queen, etc... Even the little dormouse from the tea party has a first name. It just seemed so odd when compared to both the original and the book.

Another example is the name of Wonderland in general. They actually correct Alice and say that the correct name is "Underland", and that it was only because she was confused as a child that she called it "Wonderland".

I really liked the playing card army. They looked really impressive and formidable while still retaining that "paper" feel.

Every time the Red Queen was on screen, I felt like I was playing NBA Jam with Big Head mode on.

So many big-name people are just wasted in this movie. Christopher Lee gets maybe 2 lines, and Alan Rickman has about 3 minutes of screen time total.

I was a little surprised that it didn't turn into the "Johnny Depp" show. He had a far, FAR larger part than he should've, but not so much that it didn't feel like it was Alice's movie.

Spoilerly thoughts: The first thing that happens is that she gets told of a prophecy that she will fulfill. Then, despite everyone else's insistance that the prophecy WILL BE FULFILLED, she keeps trying to fight her destiny. But at the end of the movie (surprise!) she fulfills the prophecy.

They could've cut out the entire movie and just skipped from being told of the prophecy to the part where she fulfills it and you would've missed nothing.

Goddamn the ending was stupid. She had literally NO reason to return to the "real" world. Her mother was getting along OK. Her sister was already married and had her own life. Her fiance would've just found someone else. Even her father's company was doing very well under a kindly new owner.

By staying, she would've been recognized all over "Underland" (God I hate that name) as a famous and formidable champion, had the ear of the queen, and basically could get anything she ever wanted. Instead, she leaves all that to become... an apprentice in her own father's company?! What the hell kind of bullshit is this?

GTS thoughts: She spends about 1/3 of the movie as a SW ranging from about 6 inches to about 1 inch. She then spends another 1/4 as a 7' amazon, which was unexpected.

The growth/shrink scenes (two of each) are all handled capably as you would expect. They do a revisit of the original "Eat Me / Drink Me" from the book, but it's very quick (it IS supposed to be a sequel).

Min1337 · 03-06-2010

Couple good colleges mixed in here...

http://coedmagazine.com/2010/03/05/9...in-wonderland/

Twilight_Roxas · 03-06-2010

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Originally Posted by wolfman-al

Huh?
I have no idea what you are talking about.

On the Epic Mickey concept art I post.

Hugo Prosperio · 03-07-2010

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Originally Posted by Twilight_Roxas

On the Epic Mickey concept art I post.

Careful. That picture you posted had no process, and therefore, it's likely to make Wolfie a tad grouchy.

For the record, I caught the Alice reference, but it's probably safe to say that it's more a reference to the Alice ride in Disney World then the actual movie, and therefore no reason to expect any kind of process.

BlazingBarrager · 03-07-2010

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Originally Posted by darthspielberg

Careful. That picture you posted had no process, and therefore, it's likely to make Wolfie a tad grouchy.

And we all know a grouchy Wolfman = no no.

Mr Wayne · 03-07-2010

What if Tim Burton's AiW had a sequel too, but in our context and style? Alice returns from a second trip to Wonderland (assumingly unaware of the size changing she experienced there) and thinks all is normal... Until she eats or drinks things and discovers that she continues to grow (and shrink, but I'd prefer just growth being that I'm a 'huge';P fan of it) -- but this time outgrows all her clothes according to whatever heights she reaches. Mix it up. Maybe a simple sip of tea and she only grows to 9ft and enough to bump her head on the ceiling, or manages to eat a whole brownie and suddenly grows as big as she did in the Rabbit's house. And too, if the 'tea-time' English clothing and setting look isn't appealing to everyone then simply have Alice be in a high school or college setting, etc. Bottom line, once the 18 year old Alice returns from Wonderland for the 2nd time, her growth-ability (or curse) comes with her.

Here is a link to the story that inspired that idea, by Gilles:
http://www.writing.com/main/interact/item_id/259821-Alice-in-wonderland-curse

p.s. this is an edited repost of a posting I made in Edward_the_4th's comic thread which I believe I mistakenly posted there. Least here its in a specific spotlight.

Blackbat · 03-07-2010

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Originally Posted by Volfsbayne

What if Tim Burton's AiW had a sequel too, but in our context and style? Alice returns from a second trip to Wonderland (assumingly unaware of the size changing she experienced there) and thinks all is normal... Until she eats or drinks things and discovers that she continues to grow (and shrink, but I'd prefer just growth being that I'm a 'huge';P fan of it) -- but this time outgrows all her clothes according to whatever heights she reaches. Mix it up. Maybe a simple sip of tea and she only grows to 9ft and enough to bump her head on the ceiling, or manages to eat a whole brownie and suddenly grows as big as she did in the Rabbit's house. And too, if the 'tea-time' English clothing and setting look isn't appealing to everyone then simply have Alice be in a high school or college setting, etc. Bottom line, once the 18 year old Alice returns from Wonderland for the 2nd time, her growth-ability (or curse) comes with her.

Here is a link to the story that inspired that idea, by Gilles:
http://www.writing.com/main/interact...derland-curse/

p.s. this is an edited repost of a posting I made in Edward_the_4th's comic thread which I believe I mistakenly posted there. Least here its in a specific spotlight.

broken link

Twilight_Roxas · 03-08-2010

Well I hope they add a beetleworx of Alice who could be giant size as a boss in Epic Mickey.

Hugo Prosperio · 03-08-2010

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Originally Posted by Twilight_Roxas

Well I hope they add a beetleworx of Alice who could be giant size as a boss in Epic Mickey.

Pretty sure the Beetleworx are going to be "forgotten" characters, and Alice is hardly that. It'd be nice, but I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you.

JustinThyme · 03-08-2010

I too have seen the new Alice, and thought it was just ok, but the 3-D effects when she was shrinking or growing were well done.

03-05-2010	#361
Twilight_Roxas Process Master Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 505	Re: Alice In Wonderland Did you find the reference Wolfman-Al?

03-06-2010	#363
Wussy Frequent Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 192	Re: Alice In Wonderland Synopsis: This is a sequel of sorts to the original Disney animated film. It's been 13 years since Alice's first trip down the rabbit hole, and she's a woman now and has long since dismissed those events as bad dreams. She's being proposed to by a snobbish lord, but she runs away from him when she sees a familiar-looking white rabbit run past her... Thoughts: I was so BORED watching this thing. It just seemed to be going through the motions without any heart of its own. Tim Burton seemed to want to change things just for the sake of changing them. For example, everyone has a name now. Alice Kingsley, Tarrant the Mad Hatter, Iracebeth the Red Queen, etc... Even the little dormouse from the tea party has a first name. It just seemed so odd when compared to both the original and the book. Another example is the name of Wonderland in general. They actually correct Alice and say that the correct name is "Underland", and that it was only because she was confused as a child that she called it "Wonderland". I really liked the playing card army. They looked really impressive and formidable while still retaining that "paper" feel. Every time the Red Queen was on screen, I felt like I was playing NBA Jam with Big Head mode on. So many big-name people are just wasted in this movie. Christopher Lee gets maybe 2 lines, and Alan Rickman has about 3 minutes of screen time total. I was a little surprised that it didn't turn into the "Johnny Depp" show. He had a far, FAR larger part than he should've, but not so much that it didn't feel like it was Alice's movie. Spoilerly thoughts: The first thing that happens is that she gets told of a prophecy that she will fulfill. Then, despite everyone else's insistance that the prophecy WILL BE FULFILLED, she keeps trying to fight her destiny. But at the end of the movie (surprise!) she fulfills the prophecy. They could've cut out the entire movie and just skipped from being told of the prophecy to the part where she fulfills it and you would've missed nothing. Goddamn the ending was stupid. She had literally NO reason to return to the "real" world. Her mother was getting along OK. Her sister was already married and had her own life. Her fiance would've just found someone else. Even her father's company was doing very well under a kindly new owner. By staying, she would've been recognized all over "Underland" (God I hate that name) as a famous and formidable champion, had the ear of the queen, and basically could get anything she ever wanted. Instead, she leaves all that to become... an apprentice in her own father's company?! What the hell kind of bullshit is this? GTS thoughts: She spends about 1/3 of the movie as a SW ranging from about 6 inches to about 1 inch. She then spends another 1/4 as a 7' amazon, which was unexpected. The growth/shrink scenes (two of each) are all handled capably as you would expect. They do a revisit of the original "Eat Me / Drink Me" from the book, but it's very quick (it IS supposed to be a sequel).

03-06-2010	#364
Min1337 Lurker Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 13	Re: Alice In Wonderland Couple good colleges mixed in here... http://coedmagazine.com/2010/03/05/9...in-wonderland/

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Mr Wayne The Man~the Myth~the Bat Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Gotham Posts: 738	Re: Alice In Wonderland What if Tim Burton's AiW had a sequel too, but in our context and style? Alice returns from a second trip to Wonderland (assumingly unaware of the size changing she experienced there) and thinks all is normal... Until she eats or drinks things and discovers that she continues to grow (and shrink, but I'd prefer just growth being that I'm a 'huge';P fan of it) -- but this time outgrows all her clothes according to whatever heights she reaches. Mix it up. Maybe a simple sip of tea and she only grows to 9ft and enough to bump her head on the ceiling, or manages to eat a whole brownie and suddenly grows as big as she did in the Rabbit's house. And too, if the 'tea-time' English clothing and setting look isn't appealing to everyone then simply have Alice be in a high school or college setting, etc. Bottom line, once the 18 year old Alice returns from Wonderland for the 2nd time, her growth-ability (or curse) comes with her. Here is a link to the story that inspired that idea, by Gilles: http://www.writing.com/main/interact/item_id/259821-Alice-in-wonderland-curse p.s. this is an edited repost of a posting I made in Edward_the_4th's comic thread which I believe I mistakenly posted there. Least here its in a specific spotlight. __________________ The night is darkest just before the dawn... kArMa XD Last edited by Mr Wayne; 03-07-2010 at 06:59 PM. Reason: Fixed the URL :P

03-08-2010	#370
Twilight_Roxas Process Master Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 505	Re: Alice In Wonderland Well I hope they add a beetleworx of Alice who could be giant size as a boss in Epic Mickey.

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JustinThyme Lurker Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 28	Re: Alice In Wonderland I too have seen the new Alice, and thought it was just ok, but the 3-D effects when she was shrinking or growing were well done.