Female Werewolf needles in a haystack - Page 98

LunaticWard · 11-13-2018

Too bad this was never a real thing:
https://vimeo.com/6112119

Just a slight reversion at the end. Some blood and claws.

Looks like an ad for a alternative film festival. And it's downloadable.

For those with too much time on their hands, there is a behind the scenes.
https://vimeo.com/6968902

Cursebearer · 11-13-2018

Quote:

Originally Posted by LunaticWard

Too bad this was never a real thing:
https://vimeo.com/6112119

Just a slight reversion at the end. Some blood and claws.

Looks like an ad for a alternative film festival. And it's downloadable.

For those with too much time on their hands, there is a behind the scenes.
https://vimeo.com/6968902

Dang, that was really cool! Wish it was an actual movie and not just a teaser for a film fest.

Anahki · 11-14-2018

Quote:

Originally Posted by LunaticWard

Too bad this was never a real thing:
https://vimeo.com/6112119

Just a slight reversion at the end. Some blood and claws.

Looks like an ad for a alternative film festival. And it's downloadable.

For those with too much time on their hands, there is a behind the scenes.
https://vimeo.com/6968902

Yep, the woman was beautiful, indeed.

Northwind · 11-14-2018

Quote:

Originally Posted by LunaticWard

Too bad this was never a real thing:
https://vimeo.com/6112119

Just a slight reversion at the end. Some blood and claws.

Looks like an ad for a alternative film festival. And it's downloadable.

For those with too much time on their hands, there is a behind the scenes.
https://vimeo.com/6968902

Very nice find. Thanks for sharing!

Amahain · 11-15-2018

Not really a content update, but I ran across this article today and thought I'd share as it's pertinent (but not really news to any of us).

https://www.themarysue.com/where-are...le-werewolves/

Anahki · 11-16-2018

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Originally Posted by Amahain

Not really a content update, but I ran across this article today and thought I'd share as it's pertinent (but not really news to any of us).

https://www.themarysue.com/where-are...le-werewolves/

I agree with the article, but nudity issues in American morality system is not a minor player there, too. A naked guy can be seen even in shows for kids (I mean, at least butt naked, leave full frontals for HBO :P), but a woman's nipple is worse than simulated sex, foul language or gore.

howlingfan · 11-16-2018

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Originally Posted by Anahki

I agree with the article, but nudity issues in American morality system is not a minor player there, too. A naked guy can be seen even in shows for kids (I mean, at least butt naked, leave full frontals for HBO :P), but a woman's nipple is worse than simulated sex, foul language or gore.

I don’t think the anti-nudity angle is as bad as you say it is, since you’ve mentioned this several times (though, to be fair, nudity in movies was a lot more lax in the ‘70s and early ‘80s than today). Just this week, I finally caught up with the Showtime series “Kidding,” and Judy Greer was topless in a few scenes. I mention this because, as most here are painfully aware, Judy was the werewolf in “Cursed” over 10 years ago and was supposed to feature in a Rick Baker-designed transformation scene until he was inexplicably fired and the scene was swapped with 100% CGI. (Also, the movie switched from an R rating to PG-13.) And now we learned in the past week that there is a complete (or near complete) copy of the original version of “Cursed,” and if the werewolf photos leaked by Baker himself on Twitter years ago are any indication, it seems most of that scene was shot. I didn’t think Greer would agree to nudity until I saw “Kidding” this week, leading me to believe there could be a so-called “holy-grail” Rick Baker female-werewolf TF featuring nudity locked in the Miramax vault somewhere. Let’s storm the gates!

Thrillerboy · 11-16-2018

The thing is, looking from it objectively, and not from a position in which we are getting anything "gratifying" out of it (not judging, just establishing two different mindsets), access to nudity is largely irrelevant to the question of why there aren't more female werewolves. Though the article started rambling a bit, the author hits on a good point: Women are largely viewed as more frail, weaker, or not as capable of being imposing as men. It's why the few ones we see are rarely in the position of being the alpha, or sole wolf, if they even get screen time at all.

For example, through the entire "Underworld" series, you see plenty of female vampires, but I believe there is only one scene in any of them that has female lycans, and they're background extras in one or two scenes. The vampires are portrayed as "lithe, sleek, and cat-like" in movement, traits which people tend to feel fit better for women, while the lycans are ferocious, hulking brutes, capable of tearing things apart. These traits are typically associated with males. It's shallow-minded, and disappointing, but go through the werewolf media out there, and look at the roles, and portrayals of the women in that media. That is the point the author was trying to convey. The exceptions to this trend (Ginger in "Ginger Snaps", Marsha Quist in "The Howling", etc) are awesome to see, but too few and too far between.

As far as nudity goes, it is part of it, just not a major part. While it definitely affects a director's ability to get certain shots in a transformation scene when he/she has to avoid getting "naughty bits" on screen, it is totally possible to do a transformation without needing nudity. Movies like "Beast of Bray Road", "Little Dead Riding Hood", "Ginger Snaps", and "AAWP" and TV shows like "Bitten", "Angel", "Hemlock Grove" and "Sanctuary" all manage to do so. Now, not all of those examples ended up being great transformations. In my opinion, though, it has more to do with potential technical proficiency or budget limitations than it does with "Welp, I can't get her tits in the picture, time to mail it in".
Even in a movie like "Blood Redd", while they establish that the character has disrobed, they never show anything more than her head and feet, and it doesn't detract from the transformation at all. The only issues I've ever had with that scene (not adding in grunts/sound of shifting bones of the character, and only focusing on the back/no shots of the face or feet changing) have nothing to do with whether or not I get to see her breasts.

At the end of the day, producers, directors, writers, etc. just have to want to put these characters out there, in a prominent role. It's not exactly easy to bring to life, especially without cutting corners in the transformation scene in particular. However, it's been shown time and again that it's wholly possible if you put the effort in. It's past time to think outside the box, and put female characters in those spots to shine, and when they are put there, give them just as much attention and spotlight as you have for male characters in the past. Access to nudity won't hold anyone back if they don't let it.

lowes96 · 11-16-2018

11-13-2018	#1165
LunaticWard Process Fan Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 30	Re: Female Werewolf needles in a haystack Too bad this was never a real thing: https://vimeo.com/6112119 Just a slight reversion at the end. Some blood and claws. Looks like an ad for a alternative film festival. And it's downloadable. For those with too much time on their hands, there is a behind the scenes. https://vimeo.com/6968902

11-15-2018	#1169
Amahain Process Master Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 726	Re: Female Werewolf needles in a haystack Not really a content update, but I ran across this article today and thought I'd share as it's pertinent (but not really news to any of us). https://www.themarysue.com/where-are...le-werewolves/ __________________ Shameless self-promotion: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/amahain/

11-16-2018	#1172
Thrillerboy Frequent Poster Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 271	Re: Female Werewolf needles in a haystack The thing is, looking from it objectively, and not from a position in which we are getting anything "gratifying" out of it (not judging, just establishing two different mindsets), access to nudity is largely irrelevant to the question of why there aren't more female werewolves. Though the article started rambling a bit, the author hits on a good point: Women are largely viewed as more frail, weaker, or not as capable of being imposing as men. It's why the few ones we see are rarely in the position of being the alpha, or sole wolf, if they even get screen time at all. For example, through the entire "Underworld" series, you see plenty of female vampires, but I believe there is only one scene in any of them that has female lycans, and they're background extras in one or two scenes. The vampires are portrayed as "lithe, sleek, and cat-like" in movement, traits which people tend to feel fit better for women, while the lycans are ferocious, hulking brutes, capable of tearing things apart. These traits are typically associated with males. It's shallow-minded, and disappointing, but go through the werewolf media out there, and look at the roles, and portrayals of the women in that media. That is the point the author was trying to convey. The exceptions to this trend (Ginger in "Ginger Snaps", Marsha Quist in "The Howling", etc) are awesome to see, but too few and too far between. As far as nudity goes, it is part of it, just not a major part. While it definitely affects a director's ability to get certain shots in a transformation scene when he/she has to avoid getting "naughty bits" on screen, it is totally possible to do a transformation without needing nudity. Movies like "Beast of Bray Road", "Little Dead Riding Hood", "Ginger Snaps", and "AAWP" and TV shows like "Bitten", "Angel", "Hemlock Grove" and "Sanctuary" all manage to do so. Now, not all of those examples ended up being great transformations. In my opinion, though, it has more to do with potential technical proficiency or budget limitations than it does with "Welp, I can't get her tits in the picture, time to mail it in". Even in a movie like "Blood Redd", while they establish that the character has disrobed, they never show anything more than her head and feet, and it doesn't detract from the transformation at all. The only issues I've ever had with that scene (not adding in grunts/sound of shifting bones of the character, and only focusing on the back/no shots of the face or feet changing) have nothing to do with whether or not I get to see her breasts. At the end of the day, producers, directors, writers, etc. just have to want to put these characters out there, in a prominent role. It's not exactly easy to bring to life, especially without cutting corners in the transformation scene in particular. However, it's been shown time and again that it's wholly possible if you put the effort in. It's past time to think outside the box, and put female characters in those spots to shine, and when they are put there, give them just as much attention and spotlight as you have for male characters in the past. Access to nudity won't hold anyone back if they don't let it.

11-16-2018	#1173
lowes96 Process Master Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 725	Re: Female Werewolf needles in a haystack More content less talkin -_-

11-20-2018	#1174
Northwind Frequent Poster Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 179	Re: Female Werewolf needles in a haystack https://www.deviantart.com/liminalbe...hool-773440311 liminalbean nails it again. Wow.