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Unread 05-29-2013   #1
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Bill on the Governor's desk: Remove request threads

Position: Delete request threads and have requests be created as individual topics.

Request threads in theory are for the betterment of the community but in practice really serve only one purpose: to fulfill the need of a single requester. That's a good thing. The bad thing is that anyone else who wants to discover nonspecific content within them has to trawl through the dozens of pages in these threads. It defeats the purpose of the forum experience if you can't tell -at a glance- which topics interest you and which don't. Is it a picture? Is it a video? Is it a story? Will these next 10 pages contain anything I might want to see? You can't know without diving in and it shouldn't have to be that way. And add to that the confabulation that goes on within the thread. There's a string of posts that may be trying to track down certain content and interwoven between them are posts having to do with another request. It's mayhem in these threads.

The first counterargument that comes up is, "But then won't the fora be overrun with request topics?" The response to this is twofold. First, new Process content is difficult to come by. Speaking at least for the TF and Growth fora, they've been just short of dead, with new stuff barely trickling in. Combine this with the second fact that the request threads are actually pretty active in terms of content being posted, at times moreso than the threads in the respective forum, but not to the point of spam. If these requests were sequestered to their own topics, you could find exactly what interests you. And as a plus it makes the fora appear to be more active, or rather, reveals their true activity better.

The way to implement this is to simply close the request threads but keep them available for viewing to preserve the content that's already there. All the same rules for requests in new threads apply, e.g., do a thorough search first, don't necro, etc.

One may ask why the request threads exist in the first place. Some time ago, this was a much more active place. During the heydays of the Process, when you saw a new thread you could be sure there was some new content in there. So when requests began popping up, essentially contentless creations asking for the things that we're all coming here for anyway, people began complaining. We didn't want to see new threads that we didn't have an immediate stake in.

Since then, two things have changed: first, as I've said, things have slowed down. Second, people have been answering requests on a regular basis. Content is content. There are lots of new members coming in, younger guys and girls who wouldn't consider this stuff reposts.

I'll open up the floor now to other members who may want to add to this.
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Re: Bill on the Governor's desk: Remove request threads

In that same vein, where's the difficulty in simply tagging / titling a thread [REQUEST] so they can easily be filtered out if they bother the viewer so much?
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Re: Bill on the Governor's desk: Remove request threads

Your arguments are sound, but I would like to see what others think on this before deciding myself. I am more open to the idea of allowing individual request threads than I am of closing the request threads entirely.
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Re: Bill on the Governor's desk: Remove request threads

To keep from cluttering the main section, we could add a Request subforum to each section so that requests can all have their own threads but not take up space in the main sections of each process forum.
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Re: Bill on the Governor's desk: Remove request threads

The subforum idea isn't bad. You could move the existing request thread there, suggest everyone open requests in the subforum, and if a newbie opens a request thread in the wrong place it could be moved to the right subforum.
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Re: Bill on the Governor's desk: Remove request threads

Yep, all without making a deeper hole for new requests to fall into, or cluttering up the existing content ^_^
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Re: Bill on the Governor's desk: Remove request threads

What I could see happening is that requests are made in one forum section and requests answered in another section (possibly a child section of the parent request section). If people don't want to trawl through the requests to find content, they can just skip the request section and go right to the Requests Fulfilled* section to leech to their hearts' content.

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Re: Bill on the Governor's desk: Remove request threads

I think it's an awful idea. Not only would it create clutter but many requests that have yet to be completed will be lost, and much content that was lost before and only recently found again will return to being lost. Deleting those threads would be a terrible idea.
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Re: Bill on the Governor's desk: Remove request threads

You could just make a Request Section at the top under The Process General where people could make all their requests in there, then once the Request is completed, that thread would become locked but not deleted so that the thread would hang around but couldn't keep having people adding to that thread (making it 20 or 30 pages long for example) and people would immediately know (from the Locked Icon) that the request has been fulfilled. I would also make that section have a rule on how to make the title so everybody can clearly see that it is a request and what the request is from the title before deciding to join in and / or add to the request.

Something like "Request: A Story About XX By XXXX." maybe?
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Re: Bill on the Governor's desk: Remove request threads

I think we want to avoid creating overly complex systems that require a lot of overhead. If this is to happen, it needs to be simple.

Having request subsections within the fetish subsections is a good idea, as per Clickme.

Re: clutter

This was the type of initial complaint that brought the request threads into existence and I don't think it has any validity. I know of other fora that are much more active than this one and handle requests in turn with a separate thread. The request is answered, the thread is buried by newer stuff, and everybody moves on.
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You could just make a Request Section at the top under The Process General where people could make all their requests in there, then once the Request is completed, that thread would become locked but not deleted so that the thread would hang around but couldn't keep having people adding to that thread (making it 20 or 30 pages long for example) and people would immediately know (from the Locked Icon) that the request has been fulfilled. I would also make that section have a rule on how to make the title so everybody can clearly see that it is a request and what the request is from the title before deciding to join in and / or add to the request.

Something like "Request: A Story About XX By XXXX." maybe?
This is the best way. Each forum having a subforum for requests seems logical enough on its face, but it wouldn't work. Subforums are easy to miss, even for experienced forumgoers. Requests are a problem because they're abused by lazy, ignorant, inconsiderate people. To counter that, you need something that stands out, like the current sticky setup. The only thing that would stand out as much is a single dedicated forum on the main index (possibly with subforums inside), and even then it might not work as well as the stickies.
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Re: Bill on the Governor's desk: Remove request threads

You'd still need to segregate the fetishes. Without that, its back to being a mess. And doing that might also screw up the aesthetic they're going for here.
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