Shrinking videos from Missa!

[qzar9999]

I would point out a couple of important things:

Specific details are less important to praise, as you can assume you did something right even if the response is simply "I like it." Whereas "I didn't like it" is entirely useless without elaboration; you know it didn't appeal but you don't know how to fix it.

Also, while he may have said the process was good, he gave it a 4/10. That's pretty bad. I've reviewed a lot of products in my time, and if i gave something that low of a rating I'd feel obligated to explain why it wasn't even halfway decent.

I don't think anyone here assumes that Missa has such a fragile ego that she can't handle any criticism. It's just annoying and useless to leave that kind of feedback.

[Obsidian Reaver]

Originally Posted by qzar9999

I would point out a couple of important things:

Specific details are less important to praise...

No. Honestly, no. "I like it" is okay, but "I didn't like it" isn't? Come on now, that's a bit disingenous I think.

Also, while he may have said the process was good, he gave it a 4/10. That's pretty bad. I've reviewed a lot of products in my time, and if i gave something that low of a rating I'd feel obligated to explain why it wasn't even halfway decent.

The point is, he's not obligated to give details. If it's okay to just say "that's great", then "I didn't like it" is just fine too. And so what if he gave it a 4/10. Big deal. He's like the only one on here who disliked it.

And if you want to get REALLY picky about it, he *did* give the criticism that the process wasn't long enough.

Long story short, I think a few of you owe that member an apology. Jumping all over members who dare voice a difference of opinion in a respectful manner is NOT a good way of keeping this forum healthy and a place where folks can discuss their fetishes with like-minded individuals. You know you erred, now the right thing to do is to admit it and correct your mistake.

And then we can all go about our fetish-loving business.

[qzar9999]

Originally Posted by Obsidian Reaver

No. Honestly, no. "I like it" is okay, but "I didn't like it" isn't? Come on now, that's a bit disingenous I think.

You may have noticed I went on to explain exactly WHY I felt that one was ok but the other wasn't. Or perhaps you chose to ignore my supporting argument and attack only my initial statement?

Originally Posted by Obsidian Reaver

Long story short, I think a few of you owe that member an apology. Jumping all over members who dare voice a difference of opinion in a respectful manner is NOT a good way of keeping this forum healthy and a place where folks can discuss their fetishes with like-minded individuals.

If my response had simply been "You didn't like it? What the fuck is wrong with you, you idiot?" then maybe so, but I didn't respond how I did strictly because he didn't like it. As I said before, he's entitled to his opinion and a negative opinion is just as valid as a positive one. What irritated me is that he gave it a very bad review with no useful feedback for what was wrong or how it can be improved. As Rei-Lin said, bad reviews can hurt sales numbers (Missa and other producers have said this themselves), so it's important to them to know how to avoid bad reviews in the future. "This wasn't to my personal tastes, 4/10" doesn't help in any way. Granted, he did technically say the process was too short, but that's about it; given that it's nearly 25% of the video I have to wonder where he's coming from on that, but he did say it. I don't think most people would have considered that complaint enough to give it such a bad review, though. On technical merit alone this video is easily above average.

Originally Posted by Obsidian Reaver

You know you erred, now the right thing to do is to admit it and correct your mistake.

...yeah that's not how I see it at all. I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree, here. You seem like a good guy overall, OR, I don't really wanna keep going around on this with you.

[Obsidian Reaver]

Originally Posted by qzar9999

You may have noticed I went on to explain exactly WHY I felt that one was ok but the other wasn't. Or perhaps you chose to ignore my supporting argument and attack only my initial statement?

Ignore your supporting argument? Attack your initial statement? You're making me out to sound like some kind of master strategist of linguistics! I assure you, I am not. lol

My plan was never to do any of that. I saw your supporting argument, but I simply rejected on the grounds that it was, indeed, disingenuous.

...you know it didn't appeal but you don't know how to fix it.

That alone is enough to form a valid opinion. If I don't like something, even if I don't know how to do it better, I'll say so! I don't have to elaborate on anything, especially if you don't.

Example:
Person 1: I like that car.
Person 2: I don't like that car.

Both perfectly valid, neither requiring any further elaboration.

Example 2: What happened here.

Person 1: WOW, that was some video!
Person 2: Truly Missa is one talented person. Keep the clips coming!
Person 3: Yet another awesome clip. Probably the best shrinking clip I've seen. I enjoyed the part where she went flying the most.

***Bear in mind, these are example statements meant to be representative of the actual statements found on this thread (I'm not going through and cutting and pasting all the actual statements. Too long a process). They're pretty close to accurate.***

Person 4: Meh, I didn't like it. Some parts of it were pretty good, but I just don't care for it.

Person 1, 2, & 3: YOU need to provide rationale behind your claim, Person 4! You rate it that low?! Outrageous. If you don't have anything nice to say about the clip, WHY comment at all on it??? It's not as though this is some kind of forum for expressing one's opinion!

***End example***

Do you see what I'm driving at here? No one said jack shit when the praise was flowing. We were all circle-jerking each other over the genius that is Missa (again, her work is REALLY, REALLY GOOD. I'm not saying it's crap. Missa is one fine producer of content, and we're lucky to have her as a member here). The moment someone offers the flip-side, the claws come out. Rather than accept his view on the subject, as we've been accepting the other positive one's, you imposed some ridiculous edict on him that he MUST explain his position, or he shouldn't have posted at all.

Again, hypocrisy. And again, I don't like it. That's how you drive people off.

And you're right, Missa isn't some fragile individual who's going to shut down everything because someone respectfully didn't like the video. So why are you all acting like you have to silence negative reviews? Any intelligent person can read through all the reviews, good and bad, and come to their own conclusion whether the clip is worth parting hard-earned money for. And given that the positive things said about the clip FAR outnumber the one or two "meh" comments, I think the clip will sell just fine.

This isn't something unique to this particular clip, either. I've seen it happen with other threads as well.

What irritated me is that he gave it a very bad review with no useful feedback for what was wrong or how it can be improved. As Rei-Lin said, bad reviews can hurt sales numbers (Missa and other producers have said this themselves), so it's important to them to know how to avoid bad reviews in the future.

See the above novel I wrote. lol

I will add, though, that it's virtually impossible to avoid all negative reviews, particularly one's where the person just didn't like the content (which, honestly, isn't really a review at all. If a potential customer likes the content, they're not going to be swayed by someone who "doesn't" share their interests anyway).

...yeah that's not how I see it at all. I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree, here. You seem like a good guy overall, OR, I don't really wanna keep going around on this with you.

I can respect that, sir. I have no wish to make an enemy out of you or anyone else for that matter.

I can agree to disagree.

Besides, arguing over the interwebz is some kind of self-destructive, cardinal sin, isn't it? Best we stop while we're both ahead. lol