Public Cel Animation TF - Page 3

TF-Viewer · 03-25-2013

Oh no.. now it's contagious.

Anahki · 03-25-2013

Quote:

Originally Posted by morwalugi

AzureChromatic sez This actually makes more sense than you guys think. For those not really bo thering:

A project that wasn't able to take off but was recently rediscovered.

Basically a intenet volunteer driven filmmakers "Mechanno/American Erector"
set

"Base" refers to, I'm assuming, storyboards or "ideas" in this case,

charcoal-mation ( 2006):draw the background /none changing scene
on white paper with Skrip black ink
.charcoal pencils tend to erase very easily,but while the
morphing/moving/talking animated item is on there the black charcoal
scans in very easily to make a cel # 01 ( charcoal has a nice texture
that stands out well in the scanned image.)
Erase/alter the charcoal and alter it,move it.The black ink from the
scene/background stays put and the morphing charcoal does its thing
in a series of cels from cel #00 to (example ) cel 25.Back in 2006
such methods allowed about 25-64 cels to be made per hour,About
8 to 20 seconds of animation per run using 3-5 frames/second

The base refers to a vast quantity of the jpeg cels and the avi clips
made from them.There was also verious stuff such as audio effects files,a time line video editor called Video Framer thats fairly useful
to do multiple tasks such as audio editing,converting a
avi clip back into its jpeg 'screen capture' cels,etc

Back in 2006 I still had a communityminded spirit so the clips and cels
were less fetish/vanity influenced then my later stuff.

Hence about 250 MB of 'generic' userfriendly stuff in the 2013 version
of the base and 550 MB in the less userfriendly 2006 base.
animation now residing with
Larry Barron.

Since that stuff can only decline in value as new technology and
software scomes along,and since Larry Barron expressed a interest in the
Open Source Public Cel TF Animation Archive,I sent it off to him
to do with as he pleases and signed off rights to the intellectual property/copywrite of the material.

and then other members with movie-making knowledge would, assumably, work together to make a finished product.

products,many many products.As we all know,the components of a
Mechanno set can be put together in more ways then are included in that toys
assembly manual. of projects to make.

So if others volunteers to help Larry Barron with matters,it would be a
project tying together many diffent disciplines of a volunteer
population to make a "film industry'

Blah, blah, blah detail. Making a TF Movie Film Festival if there manages to be a lot of content...

Actually if
Open Source Public Cel TF Animation Archive took off,it would dwarf
anything the current and past tf communities have done.TFIFF was just
the flavour of the month.Larry Barron is skilled at computers
and lightscribing DVD's and was asking me questions more in line with
marketing,advertising,imaginary movies posters,general
"Hottest thing coming out of Hollywood" territory .Not a field
I felt I could help him on.

but that's pretty much the gist of it.

More or less

Repeat with me: These aren't the droids you're looking for.

morwalugi · 03-26-2013

Public Cel TF Animation?

I'd suggest

Public Cel Animation or PCA

Perhaps

Join the PCA Today

or maybe

The Night Momma socked it to the Harper Valley PCA

morwalugi · 03-26-2013

Oh I understood what he was trying to convey about the collection of videos.
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But that's about the only thing. What I fail to understand is why he took the time to make all that, and compile it,
>Because it was fun to do,to create a entirely
new creation,everything from the drawing technique,the fiddling about with 3 - 5 frame/second
animations and doing so on a mass production scale,the usual missionary zeal of
putting up the website and hoping others would join in and build something that would evolve and grow.
What killed it in late 2006 /early 2007 was the discovery that Frostfang,a true animated
mini-movie based on Sorcerous Stabber Orphens Episode 8 ,had garnered 112 views over a year
on Youtube whilst my el cheapo " Nude Giantess Bursting out of a Presurized Wooden Barrel"
which didn't even upload properly and was nothing more than a title attached to a failed upload,was
pulling in 112 views a day.That meant
why bother making 400 cels for a 100 second animation when all you needed on
Youtube was a flashing cel with the word " SEX" and some horny lewd title and text box
description about the "SEX" and you could rake in views .Frost Fang (which had a plot )
just couldn't beat fetishism and adult entertaiment.So the project after Frost Fang,as sort of
gothicy piece called <Hoare Fang> was terminated .What I did after that has nothing to do with
Public Cel Animation.
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and send it to someone that he seems to assume we're familiar with by email address alone. I also don't understand why he decided to share it with us with no context as to what he was referring to in the initial post;
>Because when you discover a 400 cel animation hasn't got a chance against "SEX"
you tend to get bloody minded about letting history repeat itself.
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or why he decided to edit the first post instead of clarifying it in a reply. Nor do I understand why he thought the TF community was dying out years ago in the first place.

> Because it was dying..In 2002/2003 Transforum blew apart in flamewars.Dragoniade
shutdown his particular website in 2005/2006 and it didn't reopen till
2008/2009.There was a very real decline in the TF community inthose years.
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All I know is steam punk dragons and serpent woman legends manage to work their way into every one of his posts, even when the subject matter of the thread those posts find themselves in have absolutely nothing to do with those things. No matter how many times anyone points out how odd or irrelevant his posts are he never responds. Going back and editing his original post this time is about the most reaction I've seen him give to the confusion he generates. I think I might have seen him reply to a post before, but it was nearly a year later as I recall.

> Which has nothing to do with the concept of
************** Public Cel Animation******************

Realistically a animation composed of different voices and the audio tracks,different
drawing styles in the visual cels and maybe a dozen different writers on the script is
going to make for one jerky animation.
My research base boils down to a indepth knowledge of a 18th century Globe spanning
project to"Save the World" which included a eccentric mild mannered country preacher
who literally dripped Greek and Latin,as one of his biographers put it.
The next contributor might be coming from a base of watching
John Wayne shooting rattlesnakes in old Westerns.
Put together our differing background mindsets,and the animation a
3rd contributor ( maybe a chinese kid aware of "The Legend of Lady White
Snake " puts together will be sputtering,shaking,shooting sparks,flame and
smoke all the way down the A and B tracks of the video editorthat puts the
apples,oranges and pears together as a animated shorty.

vincent_richter · 03-27-2013

You're excited about this project, and that's understandable.
Now breathe.

Take a step back and elucidate your thinking for the Luddites who aren't interested in what appears to be thinly-veiled psychobabble. You'll win more converts that way.

Also, if the name-dropping serves no greater purpose, please stop doing it as it's thoroughly confusing and mildly irritating.

tjlemke · 03-27-2013

Guy's on crack

Cactus Jack · 03-28-2013

Is this PCA TF uploaded anywhere in particular? Like Youtube? Do we need to email the guy in the OP to get to it? This thread is nothing but ESL ramblings and no content otherwise.

morwalugi · 03-28-2013

Is this PCA TF uploaded anywhere in particular?

Larry Barron ( knot_disclosed ( at ) yahoo.com ) planned to put
a few hundred megabytes of .avi's,.jpegs,.PAE's,.wav's .etc on a bit torrent
so others could download what is essentially a American Erector/Mechanno set
tear apart the files,rebuild them,etc ( I signed off on the intellectual property
copywrite so others can do so ) and hopefully make new animations and stuff .that
they will re-upload so that other folk can tear apart and rebuild their stuff.
Basically a evolving growing American Erector/Mechanno set sitting
on the internet .
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Like Youtube?

Youtube downloads in Flash ( .swf )
VideoFramer 1.07 ( the assembly line to put the raw parts from the Mechanno Set
together into a animation) only accepts .avi's,..wav's,.jpeg's and .bmp files as
the raw parts.
For Public Cel Animation to be workable,it needs everyone working
with the same kinds of universal long lived file formats so that years from
now some person who's currently a baby in diapers can still use the
Public Cel Animation..
When Youtube starts downloading .avi's,.wav's and .jpegs rather then Flash files,
then it will become compatible with Video Framer 1.07
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Do we need to email the guy in the OP to get to it?
That would be Larry Barron ( knot_disclosed ( at) yahoo.com )
He lives in Florida,and I'll leave it up to him to disclose his more
personal stuff,such as his physical address for anyone
who wants to send him stuff by sanilmail ..My internet connectio is
slower than molasses,so when he suggested I sent him
Hoare Fang Rock 320 megabytes
Dragon Crypt v2.0 559 megabytes
Green Serpent DVD image and various technical and promotional paper
I sent it by mail and a Thursday and it got to him on a Tusesday the next week
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This thread is nothing but ESL ramblings and no content otherwise
Maybe no one makes American Erector/Mechanno Sets anymore?
A box containing various nuts,bolts,rods,plates,pulleys,a electrical
motor and other metal and plastic engineering stuff a child can
bolt together.
The box also contains a Owners Manual with drawings showing
the child how to put all the various bits into a car/crane/robot/boat/etc
So
bolts = .wav files
nuts = .bmp files
plates = .jpef files
rods = .avi files
Owners Manual = scripts/plays/storyboards
electric motor = Video Framer 1.07 video editor software
So imagine a group of children carrying American Erector/Mechanno Sets
from different counties and periods ( I think it was invented around 1909)
coming together .
The children all gather in a group and Jill statrts wailing and weeping because
her 1909 toy set doesn't have a tiny electric motor.Jack,who's got a 1969 set,
notices he's got a spare electic motor,gives Jill the spare one to make her happy.
He then notces Jill's set contains a tray of " them's and Jill gives him a few in exchange
for the electric motor.The chinese kid,who's got no Mechanno Set at all,however
does know how to draw up the engineering blueprints to put the toys into
nifty new shapes.So the other kids trade with him for his engineering knowledge.
Which pretty well describes Public Cel Animation in a nutshell..

The Governor · 03-28-2013

You made a valid analogy, and it's important for everyone to understand that you are trying to help the community create something together they can be proud of. Your post format does make some people not want to read what you have to say, but if that's gonna stop them then they clearly aren't part of your target audience with this thread.

Anyways, I hope your project is successful. Compiling a resource archive is one part, but distribution is a horse of a different color indeed.

tjlemke · 03-28-2013

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Governor

You made a valid analogy, and it's important for everyone to understand that you are trying to help the community create something together they can be proud of. Your post format does make some people not want to read what you have to say, but if that's gonna stop them then they clearly aren't part of your target audience with this thread.

Anyways, I hope your project is successful. Compiling a resource archive is one part, but distribution is a horse of a different color indeed.

This. It's a major pain in the ass trying to read his posts and get what he means. There is a certain way people are supposed to write and just like how we abide by a dress code there is a code for grammar. All I want is at least grammar on the same level of basically wearing underwear.

vincent_richter · 03-28-2013

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjlemke

This. It's a major pain in the ass trying to read his posts and get what he means. There is a certain way people are supposed to write and just like how we abide by a dress code there is a code for grammar. All I want is at least grammar on the same level of basically wearing underwear.

Also, it's not helpful that he seems marginally familiar with the technology right off-the-line.
MPEG is the ISO standard; AVI is Microsoft's de facto.
So, right away, one of the tools is badly gimped.

Not that that can't be worked around; FFmpeg and transcoding exist for a reason.
Also, DownloadHelper for Youtube; grabs to MP4 the first time, every time.
Transcode from there, if necessary.

Sephie · 03-28-2013

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjlemke

This. It's a major pain in the ass trying to read his posts and get what he means. There is a certain way people are supposed to write and just like how we abide by a dress code there is a code for grammar. All I want is at least grammar on the same level of basically wearing underwear.

What if you just want to run around naked?

03-25-2013	#25
TF-Viewer Slave to the Process Forum Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,782	Re: Ce Oh no.. now it's contagious.

03-26-2013	#27
morwalugi Frequent Poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 463	Public Cel Animation ? Public Cel TF Animation? I'd suggest Public Cel Animation or PCA Perhaps Join the PCA Today or maybe The Night Momma socked it to the Harper Valley PCA

03-26-2013	#28
morwalugi Frequent Poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 463	Public Cel Animation ? Oh I understood what he was trying to convey about the collection of videos. ************************************************ ******* But that's about the only thing. What I fail to understand is why he took the time to make all that, and compile it, >Because it was fun to do,to create a entirely new creation,everything from the drawing technique,the fiddling about with 3 - 5 frame/second animations and doing so on a mass production scale,the usual missionary zeal of putting up the website and hoping others would join in and build something that would evolve and grow. What killed it in late 2006 /early 2007 was the discovery that Frostfang,a true animated mini-movie based on Sorcerous Stabber Orphens Episode 8 ,had garnered 112 views over a year on Youtube whilst my el cheapo " Nude Giantess Bursting out of a Presurized Wooden Barrel" which didn't even upload properly and was nothing more than a title attached to a failed upload,was pulling in 112 views a day.That meant why bother making 400 cels for a 100 second animation when all you needed on Youtube was a flashing cel with the word " SEX" and some horny lewd title and text box description about the "SEX" and you could rake in views .Frost Fang (which had a plot ) just couldn't beat fetishism and adult entertaiment.So the project after Frost Fang,as sort of gothicy piece called <Hoare Fang> was terminated .What I did after that has nothing to do with Public Cel Animation. ********************************************** **** and send it to someone that he seems to assume we're familiar with by email address alone. I also don't understand why he decided to share it with us with no context as to what he was referring to in the initial post; >Because when you discover a 400 cel animation hasn't got a chance against "SEX" you tend to get bloody minded about letting history repeat itself. ********************************************** * or why he decided to edit the first post instead of clarifying it in a reply. Nor do I understand why he thought the TF community was dying out years ago in the first place. > Because it was dying..In 2002/2003 Transforum blew apart in flamewars.Dragoniade shutdown his particular website in 2005/2006 and it didn't reopen till 2008/2009.There was a very real decline in the TF community inthose years. ********************************************** **** All I know is steam punk dragons and serpent woman legends manage to work their way into every one of his posts, even when the subject matter of the thread those posts find themselves in have absolutely nothing to do with those things. No matter how many times anyone points out how odd or irrelevant his posts are he never responds. Going back and editing his original post this time is about the most reaction I've seen him give to the confusion he generates. I think I might have seen him reply to a post before, but it was nearly a year later as I recall. > Which has nothing to do with the concept of ********** Public Cel Animation**************** Realistically a animation composed of different voices and the audio tracks,different drawing styles in the visual cels and maybe a dozen different writers on the script is going to make for one jerky animation. My research base boils down to a indepth knowledge of a 18th century Globe spanning project to"Save the World" which included a eccentric mild mannered country preacher who literally dripped Greek and Latin,as one of his biographers put it. The next contributor might be coming from a base of watching John Wayne shooting rattlesnakes in old Westerns. Put together our differing background mindsets,and the animation a 3rd contributor ( maybe a chinese kid aware of "The Legend of Lady White Snake " puts together will be sputtering,shaking,shooting sparks,flame and smoke all the way down the A and B tracks of the video editorthat puts the apples,oranges and pears together as a animated shorty.

03-27-2013	#29
vincent_richter ミンナニナイショダヨ Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: St. Canard Posts: 6,091	Re: Ce You're excited about this project, and that's understandable. Now breathe. Take a step back and elucidate your thinking for the Luddites who aren't interested in what appears to be thinly-veiled psychobabble. You'll win more converts that way. Also, if the name-dropping serves no greater purpose, please stop doing it as it's thoroughly confusing and mildly irritating. __________________ If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention.

03-27-2013	#30
tjlemke Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 2,027	Re: Public Cel Animation TF Guy's on crack

03-28-2013	#31
Cactus Jack Fan of the Art of Process Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 298	Re: Public Cel Animation TF Is this PCA TF uploaded anywhere in particular? Like Youtube? Do we need to email the guy in the OP to get to it? This thread is nothing but ESL ramblings and no content otherwise. __________________ "Scientists say they've built a better peanut..." - Fox News

03-28-2013	#33
The Governor Process Governor Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 406	Re: Public Cel Animation TF You made a valid analogy, and it's important for everyone to understand that you are trying to help the community create something together they can be proud of. Your post format does make some people not want to read what you have to say, but if that's gonna stop them then they clearly aren't part of your target audience with this thread. Anyways, I hope your project is successful. Compiling a resource archive is one part, but distribution is a horse of a different color indeed.